User talk:Wynthyst/Archive 1

Guild
Tried to upload our guild wiki but it stated it was spam and would not allow me too.
 * Done. Guild:Mount Phoenix Imperial Simply make a few more minor edits and this will no longer be a problem. Sorry for the inconvenience! --Wynthyst 22:39, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Hey
is it bosible to get finnish tab in guild list thnx so we can but our guild in it
 * Done. --Wynthyst 11:03, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

How to make a new page?
Hi, Sorry for disturbing you but I couldn't find any tutorial to write a new page: I wrote it editing others's, but I don't know how to post it. (Is a page about a Guild) Thanks a lot
 * No Bother. If you go to Example Guild Page you can copy the code that's in the black box. Then to create a new page, simply type Guild: in the search box (replacing the  with the name of your guild). Then you will see a link to create the page, and simply paste in the code from the example page and fill in the information. --Wynthyst 19:00, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Someone messed up the Guild List Page?
I was just going to look at all the guilds. But when I clicked on the "Community" button on the left side menu and it went to a pretty much blank page and says. "Thank god someone with brinas speak." Or something like that... Go take a look for me? I would click revert but don't want to mess anything up--rather an Admin do it. General Tavorrik 19:11, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed. it was just a simple vandalism... you can revert that stuff :D --Wynthyst 00:13, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Alright cool, wasn't sure just wanted to point it out. General Tavorrik 01:25, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * it's fine:D just don't be shy about reverting obvious vandalism :D --Wynthyst 01:26, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Error creating account
Hey Wynthyst,

I'm trying to create an account but when I do so I get the error "Could not open socket". Can you have a look what's wrong?

Cheers,

Rob


 * Sure thing! --Wynthyst 17:24, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Sockets is a local thing. You should clear your cookies and cache in your browser, reboot, and try again. --Wynthyst 17:28, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

I have tried that and also used a different computer without luck. Are you sure it's local? It a message the server is returning it's not a client popup.


 * We have created a few accounts since your report without difficulty. I can only assume it's something on your end. --Wynthyst 06:57, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Crew skills templates
Thanks for the help cleaning those up, I've never been good at wiki templates, just trying to contribute! Varga 00:44, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * You are doing great! Your contributions are very much appreciated. Since you had it set up as a straight box, rather than a traditional template, there was no need for the variables. I just figured I'd clean up the code a bit. If you have any questions or problems, please feel free to contact me. Thanks! --Wynthyst 00:45, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Awesome! Yea I started it as a more dynamic template but then I wanted to add the left column for grouping and all that and suddenly I was going to need variable numbers of rows if other pages besides crafting were going to use it and that's way beyond me to I went a bit more static. Got more to add just distracted by work for a bit, hoping to be able to establish as a long term contributor here!
 * I am currently looking for an active community administrator to help run the place. Interested? --Wynthyst 01:09, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd be very interested actually, have a preferred venue to go over the details? Chat/email type or prefer here? Varga 01:24, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * MSN? aerowyn420@hotmail.com --Wynthyst 02:17, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Added you just now from chris@tsunamidsl.com, let me know if you don't see it! Varga 03:12, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

glad to be a part of the wiki
Thanks for the welcome, Happy to able to contribute and do what I can.

Planets talk page gibberish
Hey Wyn, can you delete this, I can't find how to do a rollback on a page creation.

http://www.wikiswtor.com/index.php?title=Category_talk:Confirmed_Planets&rcid=10487

Varga 15:22, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Wyn! Just a heads up, Chicago trip extended to next week so I'm out of pocket a bit longer. 172.20.5.25 20:27, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries, I think Felix is on the job :D --Wynthyst 02:09, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
 * http://www.wikiswtor.com/index.php?title=Category_talk:Confirmed_Planets needs deleted again, keeps getting vandalized. Varga 17:06, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, new to this...was testing.
 * It's ok :D just letting you know :D --Wynthyst 00:05, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

User uploading copied work
I wanted to alert you to the fact that a contributor to this project, Blastfurnace, has been copying content directly from Wookieepedia and posting it here. All of this user's edits are of this type; Wookieedia, as a Wikia project, operates under a specific content license. The act of copying text in this manner is a violation of Wookieepedia's content licensing.

I was in the process of removing said edits, but due to the fact that entire articles have been copied from Wookieepedia, my action was flagged and halted by the anti-vandalism filters. As such, I am bringing this issue to you, so that you may address it further.
 * I have posted a notice on his talk page, alerting him to the attribution requirements. --Wynthyst 00:50, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Project license & other questions
Good morning. I'm a current Admin on the Star Wars: The Old Republic Wikia project, but due to several of Wikia's network-wide alternations I, and several other members of my community, are considering moving to a new wiki. The recent partnership between the Curse Network and Darth Hater makes this project a natural place for us to look at for our new home. It is my hope that I can bring any questions to you, regarding our goals for a wiki project and if they mesh with the goals that have been established here.

For the moment, I've just got one concern: what content license does this project operate under? One of the primary issues I've had with Wikia of late is edits made to our project by Wikia staff in order to implement link-based javascript advertisements, found throughout the text of our articles. In order to avoid this, I'm hoping to find a project licensed under Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported (CC BY-NC-SA 3.0). Several projects on the Curse Network operate under this license, or one of its prior incarnations. It is my hope that your content is currently released under this license, or perhaps that your community might be open to consider its adoption. -- Heaven&#39;s Agent 18:47, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * We would welcome your contributions to our wiki, and yes, the cc-by-nc-sa license is the basis of all Curse network licensing. I don't forsee any Curse staff ever implementing link based advertisements within our content, though skin based advertisments on the site will continue, and may increase. (totally not my call however) We have a lot of content already established, however, we can always use more, and more contributors. --Wynthyst 20:04, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * That's wonderful. I've come up with a couple of other questions as well.


 * I noticed mention of documenting lore specific to the Old Republic era, but nothing seems to have really been done with this. Was the idea abandoned, or is it simply a case of no one coming forward to take on the task? If it is something that this community is still interested in, would it be possible to extend such documentation to the Knights of the Old Republic games? Several members of my community have expressed interest in fully documenting KotOR, KotOR2, and their expanded universe content as additional wiki objectives, secondary to the primary goal of documenting the MMORPG; these titles, though not directly linked to The Old Republic, are definitely the spiritual predecessors to the game. Is this something that might be acceptable here?


 * I also noted that many of this project's current articles are taken directly from external sources. As an author and artist myself, copyright concerns, such as proper usage and source citation, are a high priority for me. Additionally, I've always felt taking content directly from such sources limits the true potential of a wiki project: to gather information from multiple sources, put it all into one's own words, and create a comprehensive whole. Is this copying of text a choice that was consciously made by the staff here, or is it something that can be changed? Would it be acceptable to rewrite the exiting articles in such a manner, and try to ensure that future edits are the original work of the contributor? Would it be possible to design media licensing and source citation templates, and begin implementing them? -- Heaven&#39;s Agent 16:20, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * As for your first point, I have only been overseeing this project since the middle of June, so I couldn't tell you what decisions the community made prior to abandoning it. As for the second, I was given a job to do, which was get this wiki populated with up to date information. Given the nature of a wiki, information is expected to come and go. If anyone wishes to rewrite what is here all the power to them. I personally have no access to the game, so I am limited to mining the data from whatever sources on the web I can find them and given the volume of the work that needed to be done, and the other constraints on my time, I'm not the greatest at citing sources. I have no problem if others do though. --Wynthyst 16:47, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for answering my questions. I'm sure I'll have more in the future.


 * I can definitely appreciate the difficulties in managing a wiki project on your own. I've been in such a situation twice now, and the task is not one that I would wish on anyone. I just wanted to make sure there wouldn't be objections, should I start rewriting some of the primary articles and adding source citation. I'm thinking I might take on that task to a limited extent at the moment, so that I can get a feel for this project while we're discussing the possibility of a move from Wikia. -- Heaven&#39;s Agent 23:19, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Some of my project staff has expressed an interest in maintaining a leadership role wherever we move to. I know you're currently looking for staff here, but can understand if you might hesitate to place a bunch of refugees from a rival project in such a position. What are your thoughts about us retaining, or regaining, our Administrator statuses should we move to this project? -- Heaven&#39;s Agent 17:02, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Every contributing user has the potential to be promoted to administrator. Promotions are based on several factors, commitment to the project, general knowledge of MediaWiki, and interaction with other members of the community. I am not going to simply promote users because they were admins on your project however. Also, Varga will remain the lead community admin here, so all promotions would be a mutual decision between the two of us. Keep in mind that "leadership" is not defined by the tools available, but by the example set. Administrators are users like everyone else, their voice carries no more weight in discussion than any other member of the community. --Wynthyst 17:07, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I was hoping that would be your response. Some of my current staff may not like it, but I've always found it to be the best method of building an administrative team and a wiki community. I think some of them just find the administrative tasks to be a particularly enjoyable part of wiki work; we admin-types tend to be an odd bunch in that respect.


 * On a related note, have you placed a limit on the number of staff members this project will have? Would all of my current staff have the ability of regaining that role here, should they prove themselves up to the task? -- Heaven&#39;s Agent 17:25, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * There is never a limit to the number of admins, I anticipate a large upsurge in traffic as DarthHater's gets more integrated, and as the game progresses through development and into release. Our (Curse's) goal, of course, is to provide the very best resource for SWTOR players worldwide. I also want to clarify with you, that while I currently have a bit more "control" of this wiki, my overall role here will become more of an advisory/liaison position between the community and Curse. As the community grows, it will develop it's own "personality" within the very broad boundaries that Curse sets, and will be largely self determining though I will remain as a guiding hand to make sure that Curse's overall position is maintained, and our best interests are kept in mind.  --Wynthyst 17:35, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

(Resetting Indent)

Thank you for coming over to the Wikia project to answer some of our questions directly. Sometimes it is best to hear responses to such questions directly from someone with the authority to answer them.

Your comment regarding Curse selecting this project's logo and appearance has raised serious doubts among my community. Don't take this negatively; it isn't a reflection on you or Curse, but on the treatment we've been receiving from Wikia over the past several years. Each time the Wikia staff has announced a forced change to the network, the announcement has always been accompanied by the disclaimer that they will listen to the community's input. Each time, Wikia has ignored us. This has left us fairly jaded whenever we see a similar announcement, regardless of its content or context.

My personal questions on this issue are threefold: when is this new appearance going to debut? Are the coming changes going to be restricted to colors and graphics, or will they also include changes to the skin layout? Finally, what other aspects, if any, does Curse plan on making directly?


 * All but 2 of the Curse wikis use the vector skin (and they will be changed over soon). We do not have any plans to change that that I am aware of, nor do we have any plans to implement any sort of forced layout, or custom skin (i.e. Oasis). Of that I'm pretty confident because I would be the most likely candidate to be assigned to such a project. Believe me, I understand your concerns, I came to Curse as a Wikia refugee when they forced the Oasis skin on us, and that's one reason I fight tooth and nail for the rights of the community. The skin design will be limited to color palette, background image, and logo. Nothing we will do will in any way change the functionality of the wiki as it will remain a vector based skin. It will all be related to "branding" the wiki as part of an integrated super site with Darth Hater, as well as the new database site that is in development now. I included the information regarding the design plans because I didn't want anyone on your team spending a lot of time coming up with a design just to find out there was already a plan in place. I can't give you a firm timeline on when the design changes are going to be implemented, because I honestly don't know, but it will be soon after the changes happen to Darth Hater. Again, we welcome any and all SWTOR enthusiasts to contribute and participate, but I'm not going to make special concessions to get them here. As I have indicated to you, once there is a community base in place, I will fade into the background, and will generally only be around to deal with problems related to the software, or spam control, not the day to day running of the site, which includes content design. I guess what everyone involved needs to keep in mind is that Curse is a business, our business is to provide support to game communities by providing ad based hosting as well as offering premium options where appropriate (i.e. Curse Client for add-ons). There are some decisions that are taken out of even my hands to further the overall goals and success of Curse, but I can promise that I will fight always for the rights of the communities (unlike Wikia staff). Any wiki is only as successful as the community that supports it. The only time I will be taking any direct action, or would be forced to refuse a request from the community is if it would have a negative impact on server performance/security or the overall interests of Curse in general. --Wynthyst 03:01, 19 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your timely responses, and for continuing to put up with my constant barrage of questions. If you left Wikia as a result of the Oasis implementation, you do know why we're so concerned, and in some ways overly critical. Wikia's treatment of their projects' communities has continually decreased over the past year, and we've watched as the work we've poured our hearts into has been progressively commercialized, piece by piece. Now don't get me wrong, I don't believe any in my community have real issues regarding advertisements on a wiki project. We understand that it's a necessary burden if one wants their work hosted at no charge. Wikia's just gone overboard.


 * Should we move here, I understand that we will simply be taking a place among the community, and its members, that currently resides here. We would need to find a balance between the way we did things at Wikia, and the way things are accompished on this project. If it looks as if the majority of our community will come here, I'll be sure to stress these fact. I imagine I'd continue working closely with you and Varga to help ensure a smooth transition for my staff and contributors, as well. Again thank you for your continued willingness to help us make an informed decision. -- Heaven&#39;s Agent 03:26, 19 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Again, I'm adding another viewpoint on here to hopefully ease some concerns. I was a part of the WoWWiki community on Wikia that moved after the Oasis implementation. We found a new home with Curse (now Wowpedia) and they have been treating us wonderfully ever since. The community has grown, the wiki has thrived, Curse has been responsive to issues that have cropped up and everyone is happy. When I went looking to see if there was a SWTOR wiki up yet, I was relieved to find that Curse had one. Anyone who does decide to come over and assist with our wiki here will not be disappointed. No, I'm not getting paid by Curse. ;) -- 12:11, 19 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Here's some more questions from my community. You won't get a chance to answer these ones directly, as the Wikia datacenters are throwing a fit this morning. Again.


 * I noticed Wowpedia links to foreign language projects on both Curse and Wikia. Are there plans for foreign language TOR projects hosted on Curse? Will they have a place to move to? If not, would it be possible to support the foreign language projects on the Wikia network? And would we be able to support Wookieepedia? I'm guessing by the fact that no one objected to the links I included in the Alderaan article that supporting the Wook should be OK, but it's always best not to assume. -- Heaven&#39;s Agent 13:21, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * That's up to the community. What we have done on other wikis is allow them the chance to "earn" a language subdomain by translating enough content to prove their commitment. If they do that, then we set up a subdomain for them. The preference would be NOT to link to Wikia however, if the project on Wikia is not in direct competition with us, some leeway will be allowed. I feel that Wookieepedia is not necessarily a direct competitor. Of course, our position would be best served if content were added here instead, but I'm not going to force the issue. If the existing language wikis wish to have their content imported to Curse (as WoWpedia did) that can be arranged. You will notice that some of the foreign languages linked are still on Wikia, as we agreed to honor those existing partnerships when they moved. As for content copied directly, that is allowed IF attribution is provided to satisfy the CC license. --Wynthyst 16:12, 19 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually, content cannot be copied directly. This site and Wikia operate under different licenses: Wikia's allows derivation for commercial uses, while this project does not. Creative Commons requires attribution and the release of any derived works under the same license.


 * I fully understand not wanting to link to Wikia. I'm not thrilled with that prospect, either. But, as you said, the Wook is not a competitor, and they're good people. From what I've seen, this project follows the same guidelines we've followed on that front: content relevant to the scope of the project is hosted here, and a link to Wookieepedia can be included if there exists information about the article's subject beyond that scope. My community has had a good relationship with the Wookieepedia community; we're hoping to take that relationship with us, even if we leave Wikia, but that is a decision Wookieepedia will have to make. That being the case, showing proper respect for their contributors, and their work, is of vital importance to us. -- Heaven&#39;s Agent 16:23, 19 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, I've decided the best thing for me is to leave Wikia and come here. This is based on a decision to continue to support my community in the bast way I feel I can: I think it is imperative that an well-developed alternative project exist outside the Wikia network, so that any of my community that decide to leave Wikia, now or in the future, will have a pproject to call home. As I mentioned to my fellow staff members and contributors, this project possesses a strong foundation, a firm skeleton of content, and the potential to be a great wiki. I'm going to try to ensure that potential is realized.


 * Currently, I'm the only member of the community to commit to leaving the Wikia network. I've encouraged everyone to come to their own decisions, and act accordingly. The discussion there still continues, ad it may be a while before those decisions are made. -- Heaven&#39;s Agent 21:04, 28 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm glad to have you. This wiki will be better for it. Let me know if there is anything I can do to make it a better experience for you, though you will probably be working more with Varga than me. --Wynthyst 21:09, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Admins and a page move
First off, let me just say that I was happy to see that Curse has a SWTOR wiki. I was a part of WoWWiki before it broke off from Wikia and have been happy with how Curse has been treating the new Wowpedia. Now down to business. Are there any other admins or power users other than yourself? I'm hoping to add some structure to the wiki to help people know who to go to with problems. It's better, in my opinion, to have as many kinks as possible worked out before the game goes live and this wiki blows up with users and contributions.

Also, is it possible to get a page moved? I goofed and meant to create a category named Category: SWTOR Icons: Ability instead of Category: SWTOR Icons: Abilities.

Finally, can you rename the main namespace for the wiki? I'm guessing this was a 3rd party project before Curse took it on and the Star-Wars-The-Old-Republic-Wiki namespace isn't consistent with the site name, not to mention it's quite long. Just a thought.

Thanks for all your work on this site! I look forward to it growing and becoming the best place for SWTOR info. -- 15:17, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Varga is the lead community admin on the site. You should be able to move pages yourself, however, category pages are not moveable (this is a MediaWiki thing). You have to simply create the new one, and then recategorize the contents of the old one, and mark it for deletion. As for renaming the namespace, there are issues with that due to the number of pages currently in the namespace, the last time I tried to rename it, they all disappeared rather than simply renaming. We are happy to have you here! As for your category organization, there is no reason to use additional colons. Simply create a parent category Category:Icons and then create the subcategory Category:Ability Icons. --Wynthyst 19:02, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the help and the info! -- 19:42, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Category structure
I guess I should ask for clarification on a few things, since I'll be adding to this project's category structure in the process of rewriting some articles.

Have certain policies regarding the structure already been defined? I was unable to find any sort of guidelines when I search for them earlier. Should all words in a category be capitalized, or only the first (I've found instances of both)? Is there are reason for not utilizing subcategories? It's a feature I've found to be immensely useful for organizing a project in the past. What is the goal of this project's category structure? Is it a general content index? Or something else entirely? -- Heaven&#39;s Agent 18:54, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * No specific policies/guidelines, but with the way CategoryTree works, subpages are inappropriate. Subcategorization is done within the tree itself. It also allows for multiple subcategorization. As for capitalization, I prefer sentence case over camel case, though I'm not always perfect. --Wynthyst 19:45, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't understand why they would be inappropriate; even with subpage categorization, CategoryTree functions both properly and fully. Additionally, such usage provides a link to the parent category within each child, improving ease of navigation within the category structure itself. Subcategories also provide a method of eliminating excess words within category titles, something that has been known to become a real concern in other projects.


 * There are several advantages to utilizing subpages within a category structure, and I'm unaware of any detriments. That said, I'm still new around here. I hope you'll consider incorporating such categorization within this project, even if it is nothing more than a temporary, trial basis for the moment. If you still feel otherwise, though, I'll leave it be. -- Heaven&#39;s Agent 19:59, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually, there aren't. By utilizing subpage names, you are limited to a single parent category. If the category tree structure is correct, you have the link back to the parent category at the bottom of the page, rather than the top. The category tree structure is actually the best for eliminating excess wording if done without subpaging, as you eliminate the "parent" category from the title. See what I did with the Category:Alderaan images. It is subcatted, not only to Category:Planet images, but also to Category:Alderaan. Subpaging eliminates that kind of functionality (at least without being messy). --Wynthyst 20:03, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I thought I'd add another perspective to this discussion. (Is there a better place to discuss such issues?) When in doubt, I research the policies for other wikis like Wikipedia. In the case of capitalization, it's standard to use lowercase after the first word unless it's a proper noun. Of course, when it comes to in-game things like names of quests, etc., we should follow the game's format.


 * Regarding category supaging, one big drawback I've seen is that the category subpages become hardwired to the parent. By using subcategories instead of subpage categories, categories are more easily managed and linked with other parent categories. -- 20:13, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * As for the most appropriate place for these types of discussions, due to the general lack of community activity that has been occurring since I came on board here, I have not yet establish a Community portal, but we can easily set that up if you wish. --Wynthyst 20:17, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I think it'd be a good idea to go ahead and get it set up. That way it's easier for others to follow and participate in discussions instead of tracking changes on people's user pages. -- 20:25, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Done. --Wynthyst 21:09, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * No problem, then. Ultimately, it is a small consideration. The category structure itself is the primary issue, and that's being addressed wonderfully. -- Heaven&#39;s Agent 21:13, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * That was fast. Thanks, Wynthyst! You rock! -- 21:16, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I try to be responsive to the communities I support :D --Wynthyst 21:17, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Curse Network links
I was wondering if there's a reason this wiki isn't listed in the Curse wikis at the bottom of the page. I know there's a lot of work to be done here before launch, but it'd be nice to get some traffic. -- 20:26, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * We are working on a new footer structure that will be incorporated across all the wikis, something like the footer on the newly redesigned http://www.curse.com Currently, we have to apply the footer to each wiki separately, and when dealing with 39 wikis that can be a very time consuming process, given how quickly our network is growing. Never fear, it will soon be included in the footer. --Wynthyst 20:29, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Glad to hear it. Thanks! -- 20:31, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Will it be incorporated across other Curse sites as well? I feel a little odd bringing it up, but Darth Hater has been supporting our efforts over at the Wikia project for some time. When they announced they were joining Curse, we thought it would only be a matter of time before they began supporting this project, and hoped they might consider supporting both wikis equally, rather than stop supporting us entirely. I've tried to contact the Darth Hater Team regarding the issue several times, in the hopes of determining if we could still count on their support in the future. It's the height of convention season, however, and they're fairly busy; I've yet to receive a response, but they still provide a link on their front page to the Wikia site. That said, they don't currently link here.


 * My community is still discussing if we should leave Wikia, and if so where we should go, but even if we stay put it seems odd that Darth Hater lacks a link to another SW:TOR-focused fansite on the Curse Network. -- Heaven&#39;s Agent 21:33, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * As you've noted DarthHater was recently acquired by Curse, and very soon, the links to the Wikia project will be replaced with links to this project. There have been delays due to the current coding on DarthHater that I'm not completely privy to, but needless to say, as a Curse property, they will not be supporting a Wikia Wiki. There will also be some additional integration of DarthHater staff in this project that has not been fully determined yet. --Wynthyst 21:37, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * We thought that might be the case. In all honesty, the possibility was one of the factors that spurred us to look for a new home. With Wikia's shift toward becoming a full social site, some of us felt that there was little we could provide to the game's community that a traditional wiki project, especially one supported by one of the premier TOR fan site communities, could not do better.


 * It seemed odd that a Curse project would continue to support the rival of another Curse project; it is good to finally have that confirmation. Thank you. -- Heaven&#39;s Agent 21:49, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Outstanding

 * TheForceReapers is a duplicate of Guild:The Force Reapers. -- 15:46, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Completed
--Varga 13:01, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hew Wyn, I blocked the source but can you remove this page:  http://www.wikiswtor.com/index.php?title=Talk:Introducing_the_brand_new_2012_Ford_Focus_0.9012011&rcid=12633
 * More spam. This is from 117.21.225.66 on Talk:Sith_Warrior. -- 14:00, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Another: http://www.wikiswtor.com/index.php?title=Talk:Sith_Warrior&rcid=12833 --Varga 17:49, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I goofed in creating categories. Please delete Category:Imperial guilds. Thanks! -- 20:16, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Suggesting http://www.wikiswtor.com/Guild:Hands_of_the_Republic for deletion. Guild page created a month ago w/ gibberish.
 * Category:Sentient Inhabitants: category renamed to Category:Sentient inhabitants and articles moved. -- Heaven&#39;s Agent 20:14, 21 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Does a general deletion template exist on this project? I though I might do some image consolidation and flag duplicate images, as well as those not utilized within the wiki, for deletion. -- Heaven&#39;s Agent 00:58, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Quite honestly, no, there isn't... I'm not sure how this wiki has survived for as long as it has with the sheer lack of basics... Feel free to create one. --Wynthyst 06:19, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Spam user pages
I'm thinking the only reason for the creation of the user pages User:IoloLegard2378, User:FontanaPoole1200, and User:AyizeHigginbottom2970 is to create links to the external site listed in each. It might be worth considering their deletion, and considering what should be included in some sort of user page policy for the project. -- Heaven&#39;s Agent 22:25, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * They are bots, so no policy is going to stop them. They managed to avoid the filters and will be deleted. I'm in the process of moving to a new apartment this week, so I'm going to be a bit hit and miss in my response time to messages. Just an FYI. --Wynthyst 03:25, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Races to playable species
I've been consolidating and correcting some terms used within the project. I was hoping you could rename the article Races to Playable species. Races aren't really something that are present in Star Wars, as the IP is racially blind in most circumstances, and "species" would be the proper term for different alien creatures and sentients. I would do so myself, but the link on the main page will need changed to reflect this as well, and it's protected. -- Heaven&#39;s Agent 19:13, 7 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I realized this morning that I could rename the article, and simply leave a redirect to it until you have the time to modify the front page. I've done this, and checked to ensure the redirect is functioning properly. Feel free to change the front page at your convenience. :) -- Heaven&#39;s Agent 20:58, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

CSS to override light backgrounds
I see that the majority of these have already been covered, but I dealt with this same issue at STOWiki and know how much of PitA it is to find all of them. I have some we discovered there covered on User:Eyes/CSS (though I know some of those cover CSS used by extensions not installed here, but they might be installed later and it wouldn't hurt to include them). Others cover elements used on special pages and on search that are currently problems here. (And I know I'm missing one I saw at the top of the page once here, but I can't remember what it was. Maybe the "You have new messages" prompt?) &mdash; Eyes   17:59, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * At this time, we won't be making any major changes to the global css for several reasons... though I did add the first few things from your personal css as requested. First this wiki is in the pipeline to be upgraded to v1.17 soon, and that already will create changes in the css. Secondly, Darth Hater is being revamped in Cobalt, and soon to be released. It's very likely that when that happens, the css design of this wiki will be changed to match, as the two sites will be getting "paired" up to form a more cohesive TOR community on Curse. Once these things have happened, I'm happy to work with the community to resolve any specific css related issues. Also, we will probably not be installing smw here. --Wynthyst 21:28, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I find not installing SMW to be unfortunate. On STOWiki, we have an issue with the new duty officer where we essentially have 6000 duty officers to document. SMW and Semantic Forms let us really streamline adding duty officers to the wiki and get them automatically added to lists. Without it, rather than being able to set up automatic lists by many different criteria, the community would have decided to merely make lists by profession and document them only in giant tables, making things easier for editors but losing a lot of value for readers. I know it does require someone knowledgeable to set these things up, but it seems like a good idea to at least have the option in case SWTOR ever gets any kind of mechanic that provides similar documentation challenges. In fact, part of the reason I decided to make a presence here now is to get in early and try to find such things before they've been heavily documented. &mdash;  Eyes  [[Image:User-Eyes-Sig.png|link=User talk:Eyes]] 07:19, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It's generally more work than it's worth. What ends up happening is you have one or two users who understand it, and when they leave, which inevitably they do, then no one else has a clue what to do with it. I generally prefer the KISS theory in general, gearing the wiki to any editor, new or old, rather than adding a lot of software mechanics that will simply drive away new users, or at the least, keep them intimidated enough to only use the data, rather than contribute to it. --Wynthyst 07:58, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

New DarthHater look
I noticed that a beta of DarthHater's new look went up. I'm surprised so little was actually changed; the site is cleaned up a bit, but the design and colors are unaltered. That's a good thing that will help retain the project's identity.

That said, what does this mean for us? You mentioned we were going to share an appearance with DarthHater; does this mean we can expect a shift to DH's orange and black color scheme? Both projects switching to a new look would show unity without the identity of either being lost. If we adopt the black and orange, though, any individuality and credibility we've obtained up to this point will be discarded. We'll end up being seen as the "DarthHater SWTOR Wiki", and not an independent project. -- Heaven&#39;s Agent 01:22, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm still waiting on the official word on that score. If that is indeed the case, I have the Brown/Orange CSS pretty much completed, but it will probably wait until they finish fine tuning DH. I will keep you posted, I mean, I'm not going to just flip the colors without at least warning you guys. And yeah, the changes to Darth Hater were more a programming code issue than a design issue. --Wynthyst 01:40, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Please do. I'm really hoping that in the end we won't be forced to adopt DH's look; we simply aren't DH. -- Heaven&#39;s Agent 02:34, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * "We" don't really make up a community yet... as the new DH gets fine tuned, and the wiki is more fully integrated, there will be many that join us, as well as once the game gets launched. So making a generalization like that about who "we" are is premature at the very least. --Wynthyst 02:38, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I disagree; a wiki community is made up of those who contribute to a wiki project. We may be a small community at the moment, and we will grow in size and change over time, but we are a community even now.


 * We may not yet know what we'll become, but we do know we aren't DarthHater. This project has unlimited potential, but we'll need to define a unique identity rather than hanging on to the coattails of an already-defined resource. -- Heaven&#39;s Agent 02:53, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, as I explained to you before you chose to come here, one part of Curse's goal for this wiki is to become part of a larger overall SWTOR commnity that includes what is currently Darth Hater, as well as other resources. So the fact that the integration of WikiSWTOR and Darth Hater is no surprise to you, nor is the plan to make them a more cohesive joint venture, partially through use of color palette, graphics, and style. I just want to make sure everyone is clear that while the 3 or 4 active editors as well as any other contributors will definitely have input regarding some issues, more directly where content is concerned, there are other areas that are guided by a larger plan, decided on by people who pay my salary. I do everything I can to ensure as many of the wants and needs of the editors, and community are addressed, but in some things I have no option but to implement those decisions as I am directed. --Wynthyst 05:50, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * You did state this, and I have no problems with that. You did not say that this project was going to be absorbed by DartHater. That's essentially what would happen, should we have to adopt their appearance; we won't be a separate project any more. Not in the eyes of the community which, from a wiki-specific standpoint, are the people that matter.


 * I think a unified appearance is a great idea. Such an appearance, however, needs to be a new appearance. You told me that the this project would become part of a larger community that includes DarthHater. If that community adopts DH's appearance, it will become DH. These are two very different situations. -- Heaven&#39;s Agent 06:19, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah, I think I see your reasoning, however, keep in mind that Darth Hater already has a fairly well established community... that in itself lends them more weight in this matter than the wiki. Again, nothing has been determined, nor have I been directed to do anything as of yet, and Darth Hater is still being fine tuned, and there may potentially be other changes (as I said, the current changes are mostly based on coding functionality, not design), but I am not the final artrbitrator of those decisions. --Wynthyst 06:28, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, I realize its not your decision. I just hope it doesn't happen; maybe its wishful thinking on my part. Anyway, I know you'll let us know as things are made clear. -- Heaven&#39;s Agent 06:41, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

(Resetting Indent)

I realize this all may have been decided already; with the lifting of the NDA and the game's launch mere weeks away, I imagine Curse wants to get everything set up ASAP. If this project's change in appearance has still yet to be determined, though, I wanted to mention I would much prefer a visual style that was similar to the Database that was revealed today.

I know you've heard a lot from me on this subject, but felt the DB's unveiling was a good time to mention that I approve of that look. Now that I've done that, though, I need to go do some homework. The sooner I get finished with my assignments, the sooner I can log into the beta and start documenting the game. ;D -- Heaven&#39;s Agent 22:11, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Glossary of terms
I've begun setting up a general glossary of terms to hold definitions to words, abbreviations, and specific phrases that pertain to the content of this wiki project and the game itself, but are too brief to warrant a full wiki article. I envision this as something that we can add as a link on sidebar as we begin to fill it with information; the game is going to utilize terminology unique to MMORPGs, some that's unique to traditional RPGs, and some that is specific to the Star Wars property. Since there will be players that possess knowledge of only some, or even none, of these sources, a general glossary will be something that users can refer to as they navigate this project and play the game.

I've set the glossary up with only a few terms for now, so as to demonstrate a possible layout. If you approve of the idea, we can begin to add terms in preparation for the game's launch. -- Heaven&#39;s Agent 05:38, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It looks fine. --Wynthyst 05:40, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Template buildouts?
G'day. Do we have template build outs (or even desired look and feels - I can write the templates themselves) for quests, or items, or codex entries yet? (Yes, I know, we can't put any REAL content in them, but I'm talking about Day 1 preparation 'ere, not Right Now.) --24.62.240.100/EventualUser:Morbus Iff 13:01, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You can see pretty much what templates we have Here, pretty bare bones atm. Have fun! --Wynthyst 13:06, 13 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Thought I should mention, I've got some ideas on this as well. I simply can't share them until the NDA is lifted. There are folks working on this, just on their own due to legal restrictions. You shouldn't let this stop you, however, if you aren't under similar restrictions; I didn't bring this up to derail you, but to let you know you'll have help in this task soon. ;) -- Heaven&#39;s Agent 14:54, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Database links
I'm not even sure if this is possible, but I imagine you might be the best person here to speak to about it. It might be worthwhile to ask the folks managing the DarthHaterDB to include links to this project within each of their entries. Such links would go a long way toward unifying the communities of both projects, and should help increase the user traffic coming here.

We'd do our part as well. I've already created a template that can be used to link our articles to the DB. We'll need to be sure to include it in every possible article; due to the DB's naming system we're going to have to add each link manually. -- Heaven&#39;s Agent 06:51, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * We are looking at ways to more closely integrate the sites. I'll keep you posted. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png|19px ]] talk 06:59, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Database icons
Since we're attempting to get the two sites to work together, can we bring in item and ability icons from the database and start using them here? BioWare and Lucasarts own the icons, of course, but we could list the DB as the image source. -- Heaven&#39;s Agent 17:21, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes. You can pull anything (and everything) from the database to the wiki. -- Wynthyst [[Image:User Wynthyst sig icon.png|19px ]] talk 20:38, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Image licenses
To help out, I brought over the image license templates from STOWiki, and adapted them with suggestions from Heaven's Agent. If they seem alright, here's the suggested code for MediaWiki:Licenses to enable the dropdown:

*Unattributed image|I don't know the license
 * Star Trek Online images:
 * SWTOR screenshot|This image is an unaltered screenshot or game asset of Star Wars: The Old Republic
 * SWTOR official image|This image is an official image for Star Wars: The Old Republic
 * Edited SWTOR screenshot|This image is an altered screenshot or game asset of Star Wars: The Old Republic (e.g. added text or new background, not just a simple crop)
 * Copyrighted:
 * Fair use image|The image is copyrighted but will be used in a manner consistent with fair use doctrine
 * Free licenses:
 * User-created image|This image is created by an STOWiki user and released under GFDL 1.2
 * Public domain image|This image has been released into the public domain by its copyright holder
 * Public domain image|The copyright on this image is expired, or it is not eligible for copyright

Oh yeah, you can see the output in my sandbox. &mdash; Eyes   12:05, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Good evening, morning or whatever suits you.
You uploaded this picture http://www.wikiswtor.com/File:Sith_Sorcerer.png. I have been looking for the name of this armour, do you know the name? If so then it would be most appreciated if you could provide me with that information. I wish to know if this is an end game armour or something you get early on in the game.

Good evening, morning or whatever suits you.
You uploaded this picture http://www.wikiswtor.com/File:Sith_Sorcerer.png. I have been looking for the name of this armour, do you know the name? If so then it would be most appreciated if you could provide me with that information. I wish to know if this is an end game armour or something you get early on in the game.